Who Created God?

I recently watched the Nightline Face Off debate between the members of the Rational Response Squad, atheists Brian Sapient and Kelly, and Christian evangelists Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort.  I was quite disappointed in the debate as neither side did a particularly good job of presenting their arguments.  Christians watching the debate most likely walked away Christians and atheists most likely walked away atheists as neither side was particularly persuasive.

The purpose of the debate was to scientifically prove the existence of God without referring to faith or the Bible.  Unfortunately only one of two of Ray’s arguments attempted to do that, the rest relied upon the ten commandments, definitely in the Bible, and personal experiences, an argument from emotion.  The two best arguments that Ray brought up were that the universe requires a designer and that the existence of objective moral law requires the existence of a law giver. 

It is interesting to note that Kelly admitted that in order for society to function there must be objective moral law.  As I have previously written on the necessity of the existence of God for morality to exist here https://gospeldefender.wordpress.com/2007/04/13/morality-without-god/ I will deal with the atheists objections to Ray’s other argument regarding the designer of the universe.

Ray began by pointing out that when one looks at the building the event was taking place in that due to the characteristics of the building we can infer an intelligent builder.  The existence of the building requires a cause, it didn’t just happen. The atheists made two objections to this argument. The primary objection was that if the universe requires a cause or a creator then what caused or created God.  They claimed that the universe is eternal.  Neither Ray nor Kirk even attempted to address this argument.  The other objection raised by the atheists is that one can find the builder of the building, look up the permits for the building in the city records, etc…

In regards to the first objection and what caused or created God.  As Ray and Kirk pointed out God is eternal and thus does not require a cause or creator.  The question is can the same claim be made of the universe?  Is the universe eternal as these two atheists claim?  Fortunately there is a large body of scientific evidence regarding this subject.

Consider the following excerpt from an article in Scientific American, a respected peer reviewed scientific journal:

The universe began from a state of infinite density. . . . Space and time were created in that event and so was all the matter in the universe. It is not meaningful to ask what happened before the Big Bang; it is like asking what is north of the North Pole. Similarly, it is not sensible to ask where the Big Bang took place. The point-universe was not an object isolated in space; it was the entire universe, and so the answer can only be that the Big Bang happened everywhere.

Then there is this quote by Professor Stephen Hawking, himself an ardent atheist:

The conclusion of this lecture is that the universe has not existed forever. Rather, the universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago.

Robert Jastrow, an evolutionary astronomer writes:

Now both theory and observation pointed to an expanding Universe and a beginning in time…. About thirty years ago science solved the mystery of the birth and death of stars, and acquired new evidence that the Universe had a beginning.

Louis J. Cavelli, Ph.D., Professor of Physics for the University of Alabama said:

A large body of astrophysical observations now clearly points to a beginning for our universe about 15 billion years ago in a cataclysmic outpouring of elementary particles. There is, in fact, no evidence that any of the particles of matter with which we are now familiar existed before this great event.

The fact is the expansion of the universe, cosmic microwave background radiation, and a host of other observed phenomena all point to a universe that is not eternal but had a beginning at some point in the past. Thus the question of what caused the universe is a valid one and not so easily dismissed as the Reasonable Response Squad would have you to believe and a question to which they have no answer.  The Christian faith provides that answer, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.


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2 Responses to “Who Created God?”

  1. Jorg Says:

    Your misconception is in thinking that this particular univers eis all there is, rather than it being a local phenomenon embedded in a larger manifold, which is precisely what most modern cosmology is all about. The “bulk” as it is called is likely to be eternal itself. Call it God, if you will; it can “communicate” with our spacetime via gravitational waves, I suppose. But there is absolutely no reason to ascribe any anthropomorphic features (i.e., intelligence, self-awareness) to it.

  2. Dave Myers Says:


    I appreciate your taking the time to read the article and respond. I do not think this universe is all there is. I most cetainly believe in something eternal outside of this universe.

    The reason for the claim that the universe is eternal is because if the universe is not eternal it must have a cause and a study of the characteristics of the universe can reveal certain facts about the cause. Since the universe displays the characteristics of intelligent and thoughtful design then the cause must be intelligent.

    I hope I have clarified that for you somewhat. If you have further questions or would like to further discuss this topic please email me at djmyers@biblegate.org.


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